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May 17, 2005

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Jack

I think you have it figured out; the chef didn't go with the great existing dishes of his repetoire, but instead created way, way too many new and virtually untested dishes. How can that not go wrong?

Andrew

I was one of the other diners with Steve and concur generally with Steve's comments, though some dishes I liked more and I found the burnt orange thing positively repulsive.

I wouldn't give the restaurant a 'C' though. I would withold rating. While it may appear objectively unfair, it is like when one of my best students would turn in work uncharacteristically awful and I would withold judgement until I could find out the reasons and/or allow a redo.

I am going again in July.

A.

haddock

One word: SUCKER.

Steve Plotnicki

Gee you really know how to hurt a guy.

haddock

Sorry:

Couldn't resist. Grant Achatz has seemed sooo foolish in his comments that I couldn't pass up the cheap shot. Though I'm sorry you had a disappointing experience I can't say I'm surprised.

Unlike you, I don't think the future of cuisine depends on the current avant garde. I do think there are interesting ideas there and I'm glad they are being explored but to use the art analogy, for Dali there are a million would-be surrealists.

Revolutionary thinkers always inspire insipid followers and though I have not experienced his food it's not hard to peg Grant Acahatz for a would-be. Adria's cuisine has developed over many years of experimentation, much of it in relative obscurity. A high profile opening like Alinea isn't going to be able to match 15 years of plotting a course and only serves to make my profession look ridiculous.

Steve Plotnicki

Without trying to take away from the main point of your wonderful comment, it depends on what you mean by "depend." If the future of cuisine is going to be significantly influenced by the techniques found in the current avant garde, than it is fair to say that it depends on it. But that's too long a discussion to have in this format. It would be great if we could continue it on the forum. I'd love to hear why you feel that way about it. Nobody really makes a cogent argument as to why the avant garde is going to fade away, and not be as influential as some people think it is going to be.

haddock

I joined the forum but don't know how much time I'll have to devote to discussion. I'd be hard pressed to critique a cuisine I haven't experienced. You've already addressed my main critique, which is one of attitude. Though I understand the value of promotion, laurels are given by others, not self-bestowed.

If something, anything, is important, it will endure. If an idea will change a paradigm, or open up new avenues, or produce a new train of thought, it will do so independently, not because the thinker has proclaimed it so.

There is a post on my own blog further discussing my feelings http://knifesedge.typepad.com/knifes_edgerestaurant_ran/2005/05/24_hours_later_.html

j

If you haven't had Grant's food at Trio or Alinea and you are commenting on his experience and movenment of cuisine....than YOU'RE AN IDIOT! Don't kid yourself on your own short comings in the kitchen. I have worked with him @ Trio (he's pure genius, maybe a little ambitous for the first menu)

Steve Plotnicki

I think we can do without the personal insults J.

jason

Dude. this restaurant kicks ass!!

Sounds like you are the only one who doesnt appreciate what is happening there.

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There is a post on my own blog further discussing my feelings http://knifesedge.typepad.com/knifes_edgerestaurant_ran/2005/05/24_hours_later_.html
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